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On Friday, August 19th, 2022 at 1:42 PM, James Lyons-Weiler <jameslyonsweiler@gmail.com> wrote:
STOP.
On Fri, Aug 19, 2022, 4:20 PM Joe Lee, MD <joeleemd@protonmail.com> wrote:
James,
PUT YOUR PRIDE ASIDE.
Do you really want to help children or not?
I am giving you the exact scientific information that will END the COVID vaccine.
And the behavioral change (fasting for a couple of days, of course drink water) that will END concern of the COVID virus.
I give you this exact information and you bury this information with tons of irrelevant nonsense?
It's ONLY arrogance if I am incorrect. Do you really want to stop vaccines? Then, you have to stay focused on the EXACT SIMPLE SCIENTIFIC reason that the COVID vaccine is FLAWED.
THE ANTIBODY CAN'T ENTER THE LUNG AIR SPACE.
And your attorney forwarded this information to this email group and I have already wasted plenty of time previously trying to educate Dr. Nass and she rejected everything I said and you bury all my information in a bunch of unrelated senseless spew of meaningless techno speak and you don't comprehend my disappointment??? You would rather consider it arrogant????
DO WE REALLY WANT TO STOP THE VACCINE OR NOT??????
Dr. Lee
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On Friday, August 19th, 2022 at 12:27 PM, James Lyons-Weiler <jameslyonsweiler@gmail.com> wrote:Dr Lee,
How arrogant.
I am not interested in interacting with you any further.
If you believe that the only people that are entitled to talk about the molecular biology of disease pathogenesis are MDs, you are far too arrogant for my neighborhood.
Please do not contact me any longer.
No one should reply-all and include me.
James Lyons-Weiler, PhD
PS
http://google.com
might be of some help to you.
On Fri, Aug 19, 2022, 2:48 PM Joe Lee, MD <joeleemd@protonmail.com> wrote:
James,
What is your background? It doesn't seem you understand medicine. I've replied to your points, but there is too little background understanding.
Mr. Kennedy, if you really want to get to the bottom of this, I would recommend you vet the members here properly because they can sling the slang but they don't seem to understand fundamentals of biochemistry and medicine.
Dr. Lee
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On Friday, August 19th, 2022 at 4:36 AM, James Lyons-Weiler <jameslyonsweiler@gmail.com> wrote:Fasting makes sense given that it induces autophagy of less healthy cells. It has been happened upon by physicians treating COVID-19 as well, and is now part of the FLCCC protocol for LHC.
No, fasting doesn't "make sense" because it induces autophagy of less healthy cells. Fasting is absolutely the answer because fasting activates ribonucleases. Ribonucleases are the UNSUNG HERO of this pandemic, not stupid antibodies. JL
A couple of points for the discussion:
SARS-CoV-2 is not the first time we have seen SARS-CoV proteins. Read Dr. Fantini's account of why Asians did not suffer from antibody-dependent enhancement (which was not happening until the vaccine was introduced (Delta variant was dominant at the time). ADE started w/"Vaccine & Delta" and has been going on since.
A surprising percentage of people around the world was in fact already immune to COVID-19:
Didn't you realize that 99% of people who were infected the first time with COVID survived? So, then, 99%+ the actual number of people who had never had COVID, who got infected with COVID the first time, actually survived COVID and ALREADY HAD immunity to COVID.
And guess what? any new variant of COVID, 99%+ will already HAVE immunity, NEVER HAVING FACED THE NEW VARIANT. Are you starting to understand? JL
Understand that in 2014, CDC changed "influenza" to "influenza disease" to include non-influenza viral respiratory infections if there is no biochemical test either way. Their bucket category, which ended in 2020 when it was changed to COVID-19, included COVID respiratory infections (COVID predating COVID-19).
We also have innate immune mechanisms as well as generic antibodies surveilling for bad guys on an ongoing basis.
Further, there is heterogeneity in the MECHANISTIC risk factors associated with serious COVID-19 and risk of death with a SARS-CoV-2 infection:
1. Prior autoimmunity (Th2-skew)
2. Antibodies to self-antigens (related to #1)
3. Having a false positive PCR test and having influenza viral infection, RSV infection, or other respiratory viral infection misdiagnosed (including respiratory bacterial infection)
4. Lack of access to appropriate early care.
Other risk factors, such as age, should be considered but I do not consider them mechanistic due to lack of granularity (no root cause).
Dr. Nass does not need my defense, but I would also say that a little research on your part on Dr. Nass's contribution to busting those responsible for using murderous doses of HCQ in trials makes her someone worthy of our collective respect. She is, in my view, beyond reproach on the question of ethics and motivation.
Dr. Nass does NOT need your defense and you're poorly equipped to defend her. She had this explained to her in person by me on the phone and she outright rejected my information, WITHOUT even UNDERSTANDING what the apparent stated role for COVID neutralizing antibodies were. JL
Regarding the size of antibodies, Dr. Nass is eternally curious and capable of learning (I taught her how BLAST could lead to FP homologies between SARS-CoV-2 and random peptide sequences similar to the early results of hits on HIV proteins). But she has asked a question, and I'm now curious, too:
As you understand it, Dr. Lee, by what mechanism does the size of an antibody impart a change in the health outcome of a person infected with the antigen source that leads to antibody infection?
Do you understand that in medicine, molecules actually HAVE TO TOUCH another molecule to have an effect? Antibiotics WORK because those molecules ACTUALLY touch a bacteria molecule and has an effect on that molecule.
Antibodies "work" by actually binding to the antigen, in this case, the COVID antibody supposedly "binds" the COVID spike antigen in the lung air space where the COVID virus is decimating lung cells. Then, if the COVID neutralizing antibody, made in the blood/lymph, has NO PATH into the lung air space (the blood lung barrier is quite formidable and can even keep water molecules at bay), the COVID vaccine hypothesis of a neutralizing antibody is fatally flawed. Meaning, where's the antibody? because if it isn't in the lung air space, the "protective effect" isn't there, now is it?????? JL
-A couple of speculative mechanisms come to mind:
-Antibody-protein complexes
-Esp. Increase risk of agglutination with larger proteins
-Increased likelihood of syncytia
-ADE
-Immune exhaustion
Further (given our collective relative ignorance on this):
What other infectious agents lead to larger, or smaller antibodies that are known to be associated with variation in morbidity and mortality based (partly or primarily) on Ab size?
larger or smaller antibodies? what are you even asking???????
IgG antibodies are all generally about 145,000 Daltons in size, the lung barrier can prevent the net influx of water molecules across it. In order for the COVID antibody that was made in the blood/lymph, to access the lung air space which is where the lung infections are taking place, the antibody has to cross the lung barrier, which is essentially water-proof. Water molecules are 18 daltons in size. Covid antibodies (and ALL IgG antibodies, please pay attention Dr. Nass) are 145,000 Daltons in size. JL
Googling anything on COVID-19 antibodies is no longer fruitful given the explosion of posts on antibodies and COVID-19, and an exact search leads to no hits:
I recommended that Dr. Nass GOOGLE the molecular weight of IgG antibodies. IS that really sooooo hard???? What is this group comprised of???? JL
"what role does antibody size play in COVID-19"
For Dr. Lee: Every day is an opportunity to learn, sharing is free, so please if you have any information you can share, or perspectives, please let us know!
On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 6:53 AM Meryl Nass <merylnass@gmail.com> wrote:
While I am at a loss to understand what the size of antibodies has to do lung clearance (and pulmonary edema is not a major issue in COVID) and with ribonucleases, Dr. Marik agrees with Dr. Lee that fasting or intermitten fasting is a method to clear spike protein.
Meryl
On Aug 19, 2022, at 2:41 AM, Joe Lee, MD <joeleemd@protonmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
I have stories just like the rest of you, I am sure. I've known of this issue well before October of 2020. I sent Dr. Anthony Fauci this information and he had Dr. Emily Erbelding respond with an email that would have disappointed any science high school teacher, for lack of objectivity and open-mindedness.
I have called many CDC directors and, once they realize the gravity of the mistake, get off the phone with me so quick, they don't even have time to say bye to me.
I even called Dr. Francis Collin's secretary and explained everything over the phone and she gave me her email and Dr. Collin's separate email (not the one listed on the HHS employee look up, but apparently an email that gets through to him). No response. Dr. Collins was my genetics professor in medical school at University of Michigan.
But, the stories are endless.
I did send my information to Dr. Nass previously and she didn't like it at all. She commented on this most recent thread with the following question,
"Why would Covid antibodies be so much larger than other antibodies and protein molecules? I don’t think he has explained his hypothesis.
Meryl"
Please Dr. Nass, I agree that appropriate vetting of my information is necessary. But, you can do it with a little more hope and a little more independent research on your own, and with a little more honesty. I already reached out to you and you rejected everything I brought to the table. When I run into resistance like yours, I wonder, did Big Pharma pay you out???? Because trust me, they CAN'T SHUT ME UP.
Dr. Nass, aren't you capable of googling this? "IgG antibody molecular weight". Why would Covid antibodies be so much larger than other antibodies? They are not. ALL IgG antibodies are more than 145,000 daltons. Google will tell you that they are 150 kDaltons. That means 150,000 daltons . 150 Kilodaltons is exactly 150,000 Daltons. Dr. Nass, did you not google this? Dr. Nass, I do NOT BELIEVE YOU ARE SCIENTIFICALLY INCLINED if you can't vet simple things on google and/or understand that K stands for Kilo which means a thousand.
Yes, properly vet my information, Dr. Nass. But, when I bring you the scientific information that will end the COVID vaccine against children, I don't expect to be blown off like you did with me previously. Put your pride aside for the sake of children all over the world. I wonder if anyone in this group is being paid off by BIG PHARMA. This isn't the first time I've run into this issue of supposedly "anti vaxxers" NOT truly being anti-vaccine. But if there are any of you here, no worries. I hired attorneys and sent hundreds of pages detailing this to Pfizer dozens of times, Moderna, J and J. Yes, I am WORRIED that it's easier for them to kill me off than to have this information go mainstream. But, the LAST place I expect to see this sloppy attitude IS FROM THE ANTI VACCINE group. Dr. Nass, you should have been THRILLED when I called you and explained all this and followed up with an email with all the details. What, you don't want this to be correct???? Are you truly an anti-vaxxer????
Here is more extremely pertinent information.
In January of 2020, 99.999 % of Americans did NOT have a COVID antibody. It takes at least a couple of weeks to have a robust antibody response, more than just a detectable level, after a COVID infection. There were no COVID vaccines so no one had COVID antibodies via a vaccine.
20 million Americans got infected with COVID in the year 2020 and 99.999% of them did NOT have significant COVID antibodies in their blood during the first week of their illness. YET, 80% of us healed from COVID within a week to 10 days. COVID antibodies, if they helped a single person in America recover from COVID in the year 2020, WOULD HAVE NEEDED A TIME MACHINE. The COVID neutralizing antibody, if it helped a SINGLE person in the world in the year 2020, it would have needed a TIME MACHINE. The COVID vaccine hypothesis of a neutralizing antibody in the lung air space IS THE MISINFORMATION.
Have you heard ANYONE explain scientifically how 99% of us healed from COVID in the year 2020, WITHOUT COVID ANTIBODIES?
Once the virus enters the human cell (remember, no COVID antibodies to block the virus from entering), then the COVID RNA is the ENEMY of the human cell. Our cells want to DESTROY the COVID virus RNA. Well, google this. What enzyme destroys RNA? Ribonucleases. And we have tons of ribonucleases, everywhere, in our cells, outside our cells, on your desk, even in PFIZER and MODERNA's vaccine vials (why else do you think they have to ship the RNA vaccine super frozen?) The trick is, how to turn on the ribonucleases. And it's this simple. BY FASTING. Fasting increases reactive oxygen species, the Ribonuclease enzyme is bound by a super strong Inhibitor molecule, which once the inhibitor is oxidized, incredibly enough, LETS GO OF THE RIBONUCLEASE molecule which is then FREE to go zap RNA. Ours too, of course. But, we have DNA and we can always make more RNA.
Yes, when you get COVID or the FLU, FOOD CAN KILL YOU. Fasting for a couple of days IS THE ANSWER.
Every school kid knows that viruses do NOT grow on their own. Viruses replicate within OUR cells. If OUR cells are growing more slowly because we are FASTING, then our cells grow much less virus, less of our cells are infected, we are less sick, we spew out less virus, less people around us are sick, and, guess what? The pandemic is over.
I applied for an FDA clinical trial comparing fasting versus not fasting after onset of COVID. The FDA came back with "not reviewable". The FDA is afraid of this information.
I explained in many emails to the FDA, you don't have a single FDA scientist that can explain how the COVID antibody crosses the "blood lung barrier" to enter the lung air space, then you SHOULD have a warning label on EVERY COVID vaccine that states that.
Mr. Robert Kennedy, thank you for ALL your extensive work on stopping vaccines. I will help you stop ANY VACCINE that doesn't have good science behind it, not just this COVID vaccine. Please call me at 213 327 8869
Dr. Joseph Lee
p.s. there is much more. But here's a very very interesting side note. The US government gave legal immunity for the COVID vaccine but, interestingly enough, WITH an exception, "willful misconduct". Now, if I have documented that Pfizer and Moderna, etc, has RECEIVED my information (almost a small book worth) how the antibody has NO path into the lung air space, starting from that point, IS IT NOT "willful misconduct" to keep vaccinating people? Can you imagine the class action lawsuit and what do you think the jury will decide? When there is a child who has suffered a severe side effect and the vaccine companies were made AWARE BY ME that their antibody had NO path into the lung air space? Yet they continued to vaccinate, even six months old infants?
p.s.s And Dr. Malone, the problems with the mRNA technology goes on and on and on. But, let me bring your attention to a crazy ridiculous one. Endonucleases exist, yes? mRNA can get cut up, yes? if the mRNA for the COVID spike protein is cut in half, it could create a protein half as long? possible, yes? then that protein which is half as long would fold in a different way, and you would have a different protein with at least 4 different sides, yes? Then, you could potentially produce FOUR different antibodies that you will NEVER look for, correct? You see how I can go on and on? And this simple mRNA COVID vaccine could theoretically produce over a 100 different antibodies which you will NEVER find because you are ONLY looking for one, correct?
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On Thursday, August 18th, 2022 at 6:40 PM, Paul Elias Alexander <elias98_99@yahoo.com> wrote:This is beautiful sharing and gels with what Bhakdi said. He explained that the IgG neutralizing antibodies in the blood stream cannot enter and cross the nasal mucosal barrier. There is no mechanism. And this is where the virus lands and begins it's work initially as you know. Had we brought a nasal type vaccine, that may have been helpful but we needed NONE, no such vaccine in this COVID. This was wrong day one. We never needed a vaccine for this emergency.
So Dr. Lee is 100% correct. I find it thrilling and I appreciate his work. And yes, people, anyone linked to these vaccines to me should spend time in jail. And I will not stop my advocacy, even if posthumously we indict them.
Dr. Paul E. Alexander
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Best,
DISCLAIMER: This content (anything, any information I share or discuss) is for educational purposes only. I function as a prognosticator and I am sharing information and driving debate. It doesn’t serve as a substitute for diagnosis, treatment, or advice from a licensed medical professional (your doctor). Any treatment you undertake in terms of COVID (or any illness) should be discussed with a licensed medical professional. Never disregard or delay seeking medical advice because of content posted by me or in any discussions or groups I and others are part of. If you are having a medical emergency, call 911 or go to the nearest emergency room immediately. No physician-patient relationship is created through this forum. I am not your doctor and every decision is between a person and their doctor. Not me. I function here purely as an academic scientist and my words represent only my views and not that of any institution or other party. No other person in my/our discussions can also make medical recommendations to you. Take no representations, expressed or implied, with respect to this content or its use, as medical advice. Nothing from me is medical advise to you, I am only sharing my thoughts and thinking on the science as it exists regarding this existing emergency.
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 07:47:08 p.m. EDT, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. <rfk1954@gmail.com> wrote:
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
On Aug 18, 2022, at 1:53 PM, Roger Teich <rteich@juno.com> wrote:
FYI…
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From: "Joe Lee, MD" <joeleemd@protonmail.com>
Date: August 18, 2022 at 1:51:34 PM PDT
To: rteich@juno.com, ko@olsenlawpc.com
Subject: our brief discussion, the fatal flaw with the COVID vaccine
Reply-To: "Joe Lee, MD" <joeleemd@protonmail.com>Date: August 18, 2022
RE: The scientific fatal flaw with the COVID vaccine
URGENT
Dear Mr. Roger Teich,
Thank you for taking the time to listen to me. I understand you have urgent deadlines to meet.
I am a well known Lasik surgeon in LA. I trained at USC under Dr. Peter McDonnell (He is currently the Director of Ophthalmology at Johns Hopkins). When I informed him of my findings, two years ago, he thought it was Nobel Prize worthy and we have had a dozen discussions over these past two years.
The COVID vaccine injected intramuscularly results in formation of COVID neutralizing antibodies in the blood. The fatal flaw in their "neutralizing antibody" hypothesis is extremely simple. Our lungs are basically millions of tiny air pockets within our body. Our body is 70% water. If our lung air spaces are unable to keep water out, we would have already drowned in our own fluids. Our lung air spaces are surrounded by a barrier that is almost water-proof.
Water molecules are 18 Daltons in size. COVID neutralizing antibodies are 145,000 daltons in size. They are gargantuan molecules.
THERE IS NO PATH FOR THESE COVID ANTIBODIES INTO OUR LUNG AIR POCKETS which is where COVID is decimating lung cells.
This is the single largest mistake in the history of modern medicine. There isn't a single peer reviewed paper on earth that describes an active transport mechanism that can ferry these gargantuan molecules across the lung barrier (aka, the blood lung barrier, an extremely well documented and researched area of the lung).
Dr. Fauci was informed of all this by me, well before the FDA approvals for all the various vaccines. The CDC directors were informed. I hired attorneys to send information to at least one hundred respected scientists and physicians, the medical leadership in this COVID pandemic.
The FDA was informed and I carefully explained that if not a single FDA scientist can explain how the COVID antibody enters the lung air space, then a warning label should be added to EVERY COVID vaccine. Instead, what the FDA did was to approve the vaccine for children and infants as young as six months.
I sent in hundreds of pages of information in to the California Medical Board (I need my license to do surgery) and they did NOT deem my information to be "misinformation". To the contrary, one of the board members emailed me back and agreed to help me.
This information will probably put Dr. Anthony Fauci in prison.
I have also been de-platformed on doximity, Keranet (my specialty forums), LinkedIn, etc.
In science and democracies, censoring opposing views only results in one believing they are correct when in truth, vigorous debate is what improves science and democracies. I despise the direction America went over the past two years.
I have a papertrail a mile long, including the behavioral change that will be proven to be better and safer than any vaccine and will drastically reduce morbidity and mortality related to COVID.
Thank you and look forward to hearing from you,
Dr. Joseph Lee
cell 213 327 8869
<simple behavioral change to end pandemic.pdf><15 page letter to influential scientists.pdf><Potential Fatal Flaw.pdf>
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